They say everyone's a critic... and we each certainly have strong opinions, especially about poetry.
There are many ways to analyse, critique and appreciate poetry. On Invisible Poets and other groups I administer, I have observed two main ways people regularly use.
The first has the potential to be quite superficial. It's where the reader makes remarks about the content or topic of the poem. They tend to ignore the artistry or form of the poetry and comment directly about the topic. 'I don't believe in this kind of thing!' or 'I'm so sorry to hear you're going through this..' The flaw is that the reader may assume the poet is writing about their personal experience or problems - which may well be the case - but may just as easily be fiction. I remember once writing a poem about the tragic loss of a loved one, and receiving several condolence messages.
The poem was pure fiction.
I was attempting to place myself, the poet, into the emotional shoes of someone who was grieving. Now, it was kind of those who offered consolation, because it showed they were empathetic. But by being taken up by the content, each had missed the mark, ignoring the artistry of my rhyme scheme and rhythmic cadence, which I had toiled with for some time, so it was very frustrating for me!
Another flaw with the content analysis approach can be found in the attitude of the reader/commenter. If they are antagonistic to the message they may even try to counteract it with an opinion of their own. They will have been triggered, and they may then respond harshly and critically. You've all seen people do this! It can cause hurt, offence and discouragement, but as many would tell you... such remarks tell you more about the person making the comments than they do about the poet. Publicly, it makes them look ignorant or deliberately antagonistic.
Clearly, remarking on content can be unhelpful, especially if the comment is an attack on the poet's beliefs or values. The commenter ends up either missing the point or attacking the person instead of objectively evaluating their poem.
The alternative, (and for me, more constructive) method of response is to remark on the form of the poem rather than focus solely on its content or theme. Does the poem flow with a good tempo? Does the poet use metaphors, similes or other literary devices to enhance the poem? Has a specific rhyme scheme or poetic form such as a sonnet or villanelle been employed? Does the poem inspire or challenge the reader by the way they write? These and other questions are much deeper and more meaningful than simply commenting on, or criticising the theme or topic of the poem.
Ultimately, both ways - form and content analysis - can be valid if written with kindness. Go ahead and comment on the poetry of others, either about its content or form, but do make sure it's constructive, relevant, meaningful and avoids rudeness and your own biased opinions. Think before you write a comment and then think again before you post it.
Don't be triggered by content. Throw away the poisoned pen and comment with kindness. Move beyond your own biases and enjoy poetry for its form and beauty.
Steve Wheeler
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Always consider the fact that it is a privilege to enjoy other's writing.
ReplyDeleteThat is indeed the spirit and ethos of my poetry groups Imelda.
DeleteI understand the emphasis on kindness and encouragement. Still I enjoy comments on content as well as form or style. If a poem takes stand or point of view, one should be able to comment with a different perspective without being offensive . When I am quoting something from someone's poem, I am trying usually to comment on the beauty of that line but also the emotional power the line contains often because of the meaning/content. I once got accused of promoting violence whan I referenced the poet Verlaine shot Rimbaud. The world is often a violent place. We can references violence without advocating for it
ReplyDeleteYou've got it. I am calling for respect in commenting. Sometimes content gets in the way, and triggers people to comment rudely or antagonistically. If they can't say anything nice, they shouldn't say anything at all.
DeleteThank you Steve.Yes, 'judging' instead of appreciating is not really a wise way to enjoy one's work. I thoroughly revel in reading poetry and am disappointed to see some disparaging comments. We are all learning. So, again, thank you for your insights on such an important subject.
ReplyDeleteUniversal Peace & Love 🪷
No one need ever be disparaging about the work of others Karin. If people do fall to that level and become rude or abusive then they are not fit to comment. I will take great delight in removing people like that from my group before they pollute the atmosphere. Fortunately there are fewer to deal with each week.
DeleteSuch a great article Steve… especially for those wanting to appropriately comment with no contentions… sometimes one can offend without having the slightest idea they are offending someone… usually content related. What you have illustrated is useful not only to general members of poetry groups… but most especially to moderators like me who only want to be a positive voice of encouragement. Most enjoyed!
ReplyDeleteGlad this post is useful to you Matt. I'm passionate about my poetry and believe very deeply in what I write and I know most other poets are too. If we can't be supportive of one another what is the point?
DeleteTerry Bridges 23 October at 21.16
ReplyDeleteI very much appreciated your article Steve. I can understand that some contributors like to comment on the ideas of beliefs or philosophy of a particular poem. This is not necessarily the poets viewpoint as you said. My preference is nearly always to pick out details I like from a poem. The style the use of language and technical matters, because that's the most interesting for me. We all have likes and dislikes as individuals but these I consider not particularly important. If we keep our minds and prejudices out of our comments we can discover the other mental universes inhabited by poets different from our selves. It's mind-expanding! I find that it enriches my understanding. But yes, we all respond as we write...in our own particular way. And finally, yes, we all like others whose views are similar to our own. And generally people commenting on content are positive.
...and that is why you're such a valuable member of the group Terry. Thanks for your comments and constructive feedback - it's prize-winning commentary!
DeleteSome very good points Steve.
ReplyDeleteContent, I think we must be honest with ourselves and acknowledge the environment we work in on Facebook. Facebook is all about content. If I post a poem in prose poetry or Sonnet, the most important think to me is the content. Did I get my message across? Yes, as you said there are ways to give a reply to a posting that are better than others and yes, we should all remember this is a public platform. However, is this not true of ALL public platforms? When I post or reply the first rule I have to remind myself is to “step out of the circle of offence” Poetry is about touching the heart, congeeing up image and most importantly exploring human emotion. Poetry is about content.
Poetry is about both content and form Geoff. One without the other is untenable. Many would disagree with you about it only being about content. Where would the content sit if there was no form to convey it? Marshall McLuhan went further by arguing that the medium is the message.
DeleteYou are absolutely correct Steve, form is important. To address the subject of this blog I was asserting that most people on Facebook respond to content and not to form. From what I read on Facebook, the predominate form is Free Verse. Free verse is, by definition, without form, however, as you have correctly said you cannot have poetry without form. Applying Marshall Mcluhan binary classification to the subject of this blog I would assert that Facebook is hot media. Your point of finding other ways to analyse a poem is completely valid. I would assert that in doing so Mr. Mcluhan binary classification should change to cool and I am not convinced that Facebook is capable of this change
ReplyDeleteReally good points there Steve. I've experienced the same as you detailed a few times as I write a lot of observational pieces and had comments where the reader assumes its my experience. I hope I haven't done it myself but probably have. Will take some of these suggestions into account. Thanks.
ReplyDeleteI agree with lots said, HERE.
ReplyDeleteYou sure have given me some tasty pieces to chomp on, Steve!!!
I've been sucked in through the poem or trying to understand it. I can easily step into someone's life and pick up from their expressions and their not my own. I've been there with the wonderful sad responses back to me. I smile! They care and it shows. I try to handle it the best I can.... Then, to comment on a poem, is NOT easy to many, including myself!! I've been told the same and I find repetive comments because it's hard to respond differently but I appreciate seeing many try. Myself included! I believe that's why LOTS don't leave comments! Some people don't know what to say, they will SHARE your poem or bypass it and add an image only, but as it's said. Better a response than no response, right? Hmm...
I enjoyed EVERYTHING you wrote and it's 1:08 am and I'm about to close my eyes, I'm up at 5:am / 🚌. Thank you fur sharing so much. I learn A LOT & I look forward to it too.
Stay Blessed!
Happy Holidays to you....
P.S. Sometime, in the future when time allows, can you write something toward, putting a book out? Where editing takes place, how long it may take and are you chosen out of many and where do you start.... Please! Also if cost for certain talents, part cost it all in one total and to where, of you know, that is. Like editing, choosing a cover or sending in a cover and just how you start. Ty ahead.
Blessings & Hugs, Sheila G 🌹✍️
P.D. Ever hear of 'Authorsden.co or A/D
I started there and have over 2000 poems and a couple stories sitting in there, they started charging with three costs but not all payments off the same extras. Blessings!