Here's my observation: Most poets prefer to read their own poetry to that of others. Many are inward-looking and can be self-centred. I know, because in the past I behaved like this myself. That was ... until I discovered an important truth. But I will elaborate on that a little later.
I have seen plenty of evidence of selfish behaviour on the Facebook groups I have managed in the past two years. Poets are generally very willing to post their own work, but pay scant attention to the work of others. They enjoy gaining feedback, but are less willing to make the effort to read and comment on other poets' work. There are some that never ever comment on the poetry of others. This means that many poets are ignored, failing to attract any comments or likes. They become discouraged and despondent. Because all poets also crave attention. It's a vicious and ironic circle. The very self-centredness of poets ends up isolating them from their own communities.
Let me tell you how the Facebook group algorithm works: The more active a poet is in reading, reacting and commenting on the work of other poets in a group, the more their posts become visible on the timelines of those others. The obverse is also true. If all you do is post, post, post, and pay no attention to the work of others, then you are likely to become isolated and ignored, because, literally, no-one will be able to see your work. On Facebook poetry groups, it's all about the connection.
Here's the important truth: A great benefit of reading the work of other poets is that you gain better insight into diverse themes, styles, genres, techniques, rhyme schemes, formats and alternative approaches. It's a fact that ever since I began to read the work of other poets avidly, I have learnt an incredible amount about how to improve my own work, and I have discovered a treasure trove of different formats and approaches to writing poetry.
And I'm still learning! I don't go a day now without reading at least 40-50 poems from other writers. It gives me inspiration too. Sometimes a line or a phrase will set my thoughts running, and before I know it, I have written a poem that I would never have even thought of, it I hadn't read that particular piece by another poet.
So please... when you next venture into one of your Facebook poetry groups, don't just do so to post your own work. Be generous. Do take some time to read, react and comment on the work of others in your group. Give freely of your time and efforts. Others will appreciate the time and care you take giving your feedback. It is sure to pay off for you in the long term. And it will mean that you truly become an active member of the community.
Steve Wheeler
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One of the problems for me, as I am not (yet) retired, is that I don't have sufficient time to read every post that is made to the group, so the reading is somewhat limited at the moment.
ReplyDeleteWhat I will say is that your "live readings" are very helpful in this matter, because if I hear a poem that I like, I will then go and visit that poet's page and re-read the poem myself - often out loud as well, to see how I would interpret it, and often then I will comment. I wish I had more time to do this!
I learnt a lot when I first started writing poetry by reading other established poets works, particularly Philip Larkin, T.S. Eliot, Wordsworth, Shakespeare, Donne, Betjeman, Kipling, Whitman, Emily Dickinson, Wilfred Owen, Mary Oliver, R.S. Thomas and Dylan Thomas. I read out Donne's famous sonnet "Death be not proud" at both my parents' funerals.
More recently, a scientist poet Rebecca Elson has caught my attention. Her collection "A Responsibility to Awe" was published posthumously as tragically she died of cancer in 1999 at the age of 39. Her poem "Antidotes to Fear of Death" can be found on the internet, and is a fine combination of science and spirituality. Definitely recommended reading.
Iian... That was interesting and I will check on her book you suggested. Write On ✍️❤️ Stay Blessed
DeleteIt's understandable Iain, especially when people are so busy each day. It's beneficial, as you have discovered, to read other poets when you get the chance. It does add another layer to our understanding and appreciation of poetry and can provide inspiration. That's quite an illustrious list you cite - and yep, I have collections by all of the above, except Mary Oliver. My missive above is really for those who don't bother at all to read others' work, and are purely focused on their own writing.
ReplyDeleteAs an introduction to Mary Oliver, this one was mine https://www.loc.gov/programs/poetry-and-literature/poet-laureate/poet-laureate-projects/poetry-180/all-poems/item/poetry-180-133/the-summer-day/. It was read at the funeral of a dear Quaker Friend of mine. I subsequently wrote a poem about her which I read at her memorial service that took place several months after the funeral.
DeleteI do see what you are referring to, Steve! ✍️ I like how many writers seem to be an interesting muse as I read them and yhen since it through their eyes and spirit. I find leaning comments spur them in MORE too!! Hearing from others helps you see that they gained reflections from what they shared.
DeleteI appreciated your article above, Steve. Ty! ✍️❤️
To me there is nothing in this article which would cause upset. After Poets are bright, intelligent, creative, accepting, observational people absorbing the variety of life. There is no run here.
ReplyDeleteI agree that poetry is a sharing world. Appreciation is key. As of now telepathy doesn’t cut it for me. I go in for the old fashioned practice of reading. I find this to be a satisfactory practice. Now the pay back is stimulation of thought, pleasure, a needed to show a response to the poet. I tend to offer a free sentences. Praise and encouragement are the best response in my experience. Just saying three or four words is for me a bit random. Also use of Ink, or Write I find a very serious source of irritation. Who today used ink? What is a ”write?”
The message you are conveying is to me, that this medium is a place where give and take is off tremendous benefit to both writer and reader.
Poetry is an immersive Art Form. It is a Craft, yes. But further than that it is via the interconnection we enjoy today, a means of exchanging views, exploration of meaning and experiences which are embedded in
each poem. Christopher Thompson. ✍🏻👨🏻🦳🎭
Thanks for your comments Chris. Language is changing all the time because it's organic, and although like you I tend not to use terms like 'ink' I can see why others do it, because as you say - it's an immersive art form and just about anything goes.
DeleteAnd yes, I'm saying that there needs to be more give as well as take in our poetry groups. There are many that don't bother to read, react or comment, and one wonders what they are actually doing in a community of poets, if they don't engage in some way. Are they simply 'counting groups', i.e. building up a number of groups they 'belong to'? I think that may be the case when you see the profiles of some and they count their membership in the high hundreds or even thousands. To me that is unmanageable.
Anyway, you get the gist.
Terry Bridges 15/7/2023
ReplyDeleteJust a tester to see if this gets posted. I agree with Steve's analysis. We all like to receive positive feedback for our poetic efforts and we all hesitate or scroll on top much. For myself, if I notice a familiar name or see that one or two people have reacted to a post I think it's worth reading. But we are all novices in the end. We need to click on posts which h don't immediately attract us. It's amazing, you can find such extraordinary gems. We all want to be liked and appreciated. Its natural. But you can learn much about yourself as well as other's visions if you read other people's work, however different from your own.
Hey Terry! You made it onto the blog! Thanks for your comments, and yes, there is a vast torrent of talent flowing freely on Wheelsong and Invisible - all ready for you to taste and enjoy!
DeleteI’m actually a little relieved to read this as I’m only recently new to sharing my words in any public forum. I was more concerned that I may be commenting too frequently. If a piece speaks to me in a particular way, captures my imagination or resonates deeply with me then I just find it natural & yes polite to leave a comment to acknowledge this. Should I personally feel a piece is skilfully written or craftily composed then I also believe it’s due an acknowledgement of this. Quite often my eyes are first drawn to those pieces that don’t actually have any comments or likes, maybe I just like the road less trodden at times, it can be full or surprises. I don’t believe each subject matter/theme will be to all tastes and I hope none would take that as not being appreciative of what’s been presented, it just may not be something I connect with well enough to offer a worthy comment upon.
ReplyDeleteI find there’s a lot to be learned in the interaction with members both on their work and your own which is great of course. But I what I enjoy even more is simply the sharing of thoughts with like-minded lovers of the written word and the endless fascination I’ve always had of just what a deep vast array continues to be created from a mere 26 letters. I certainly have no vast literary training, basically mostly self-taught, developed from a young age through a deep love of reading & an enquiring mind. Therefore I may stray clear of commentary involving the more technical side of the art, it’ not to say I don’t read them & research further anything not familiar to me….. I just prefer to leave those discussions to those of greater schooling in literature.
In closing, before I ramble for too long, I also try my best to keep up with notifications,as allowable, to respond to comments but to also acknowledge, with a simple thank you, any of those kind enough to react to any of my pieces …. I hope this is acceptable as I just personally find it to be basic good manners.
Thank you for the acceptance into the group and know that is both appreciated and enjoyed
Cheers, Pauline Pender
Pauline, thank you for your thoughtful and insightful comments. It's a real joy to have you as a member of Invisible Poets. Please comment as freely as you wish!
DeleteHi Steve! This has to be the best article I have ever read on any blog. Thank you for being bold enough to write it. I post in a number of groups myself, and have done so for years. But I feel I’m cheating myself and others by not being active enough in them all. My heart is in promoting Invisible Poets and Wheelsong Poets for a very simple reason. This is where I belong… this awesome article on poetic generosity affirms that for me.
ReplyDeleteThanks for your positive feedback and insight Matt. I guess my message is to those who hardly ever engage in their community. For whatever reasons, they are missing out on some wonderful, free poetry - which may inspire them to write more or express themselves in new ways.
DeleteYes, I do agree with you, Steve. People should take an interest in their fellow writers, however some abrasive comments are offending. I am actually offended and hurt (for poets who are trying their best) by what some poets comments reflect. We All have to be mindful and respect another’s work. Should “issues” to be discussed to assist another, that’s great. But, hurtful comments help no one except to allow the giver to vent.
ReplyDeleteYou have a wonderful and loving site. It is not surprising you are growing by leaps and bounds. Let us continue on with your current positive observations. It can only get even better!!
Thank you for everything you do. You, Charlene and Matt!
Universal Peace & Love 🪷
Thanks for commenting Karin. I agree, some comments are abrasive and can be downright insulting and hurtful. That's why on my groups there is zero tolerance for haters and trouble makers. They are removed very quickly, and word gets out to Admin on other poetry sites. They are quickly banned from those too. We are slowly winning the battle against trolls, but sadly, it will never go away completely.
DeleteCouldn't agree more, Steve Wheeler! Joining the dozen or so poetry Groups I belong to has #1 opened my horizons, my view, as to what poets "should" write about. (Notice, I didn't say SHOULDN'T write about!) And #2 I have become a braver and more prolific poet because of the poetry I read in these Groups. I was heartened to hear you admit on last night's broadcast that sometimes you don't understand a poem. This happens to me a lot and I feel that maybe if has to do with an inexperience or inadequacy in me. But we all write with different voices and from different places (geographical and life-journey)...it behooves us to appreciate and support each other. Because if we don't, who will? 🤗😇😍
ReplyDeleteThanks for commenting. Yep, for me, it's all about honesty. In my academic/teaching career, if a student asked a question and I didn't know the answer, I would freely admit it... but then we would go and find out together! Now that is what learning is all about, and we can all learn more from each other. Everyone knows something, but no-one knows everything.
DeleteVery interesting read Steve and so true. I've learnt so much reading other poets work around different styles and themes. Wish I could read and comment on everyone's but it's finding the time. I will certainly try to put some more effort in. X
ReplyDeleteThanks for commenting Donna. Yes, I know we are all under time constraints and it isn't easy to comment on every post. Sometimes a simple like or love is enough to encourage another poet. The main thing is that we learn from each other. That happens best when we engage with each others' work.
DeleteHello everyone! Just read Steve's posting. I must confess l don't read as much of other's poetry unless the title or the first stanza catches my attention.
ReplyDeleteI will try to allocate more time in reading and commenting. Like Steve said sometimes we get inspired to write a prompt inspired by that particular poem.
Thank you Steve for putting this blog out. No one should feel offended. It's a GENTLE REMINDER that's all😊
Janet
Correct, a gentle reminder is all I intend. Thanks for your comments, and for all your contributions to the group.
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